I am framiliar with CW 800 and VS Ultra and I love the cw 800 and am excited with the potiential they have but my greatest faith lies ith viewsat. The best prgramming out there is direct TV anyway, what I don`t get is why DN can`t pull off what Direct did! Maybe the millions of FTA viewers using ++ are a benifit to ++. I don`t know hardley anyone who uses DIRECT. So what goods the programming if no ones watching it....whatever